Caustic Free Concrete Cleaners

Paul Kassander

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Cleaning a lot of sidewalks and concrete? Let the chemicals do the work for you. We have some excellent Caustic Free concrete cleaners starting at $20.00.

Power Stroke

Z'Greaser

and for the added WOW try Rust A Way to brighten the concrete when you finish.
 
I have used powerstroke on maintenance accounts, it does works great, I have also tried the Rust-a-way application after, it does make it whiter.
I have noticed that rust-a-way does not have to be applied after every cleaning of the same maintenance account (cleaned every 2-3months), the concrete is still much whiter.

Never tried the Zgreaser, I also never had to clean very very dirty concrete.
 
What is the break down of cost vs caustic.50lbs of caustic is less that $50 and makes a heck of alot of chem.
Paul are you willing to send some samples out.I'm one of the most brutally honest guys in BBSland.
If they work I'll tell other,but I will also do the same if they don't.
After suffering lung burns from inhaling caustic fumes a few time I would be willing to look into alternatives.
 
I've used Power Stroke, Z'Greaser and Rust A Way for some time now. Love the stuff. 100 % Environmentally friendly, biodegradable. No damage to vegetation, or dangers posed to children or pets.
Sure, costs a bit more, but works great and no more disappointed customers weeks after job completion regarding dead grass, plants, etc.
 
I've used Power Stroke, Z'Greaser and Rust A Way for some time now. Love the stuff. 100 % Environmentally friendly, biodegradable. No damage to vegetation, or dangers posed to children or pets.
Sure, costs a bit more, but works great and no more disappointed customers weeks after job completion regarding dead grass, plants, etc.

Thats really the point, safety and eviro.

Often more dagerous stuff is less expensive.
 
I've used Power Stroke, Z'Greaser and Rust A Way for some time now. Love the stuff. 100 % Environmentally friendly, biodegradable. No damage to vegetation, or dangers posed to children or pets.
Sure, costs a bit more, but works great and no more disappointed customers weeks after job completion regarding dead grass, plants, etc.

Jim,
I clean a lot of concrete with caustic and have never left a customer with dead grass or plants.As for danger to pets and children we don't use caustic in a residential setting and the chems we use for that work are controlled and rinse very thoroughly.
I'm not unconcerned with the safety of my customers or their patrons,but after burning my lungs a few times I willing to explore other options for my own sake as well.
That doens't mean I want to buy enough chems to make 55 gallons to see if I will be happy with the end results or not.
I rarely ask for samples from and dsitributor,but if I'm going to spend money with them I need 2 things in return.Quality customer service and reliable products since I have never used any of the chems from Espec I don't feel asking for a sample is out of line.
It's strictly up to the distributor if they want to earn some business from me or not.I'm certainly not the biggest fish in the industry so the little bit I will spend every month may not be worth it to them.
 
I've used Power Stroke, Z'Greaser and Rust A Way for some time now. Love the stuff. 100 % Environmentally friendly, biodegradable. No damage to vegetation, or dangers posed to children or pets.
Sure, costs a bit more, but works great and no more disappointed customers weeks after job completion regarding dead grass, plants, etc.

Jim,
I clean a lot of concrete with caustic and have never left a customer with dead grass or plants.As for danger to pets and children we don't use caustic in a residential setting and the chems we use for that work are controlled and rinse very thoroughly.
I'm not unconcerned with the safety of my customers or their patrons,but after burning my lungs a few times I willing to explore other options for my own sake as well.
That doens't mean I want to buy enough chems to make 55 gallons to see if I will be happy with the end results or not.
I rarely ask for samples from and dsitributor,but if I'm going to spend money with them I need 2 things in return.Quality customer service and reliable products since I have never used any of the chems from Espec I don't feel asking for a sample is out of line.
It's strictly up to the distributor if they want to earn some business from me or not.I'm certainly not the biggest fish in the industry so the little bit I will spend every month may not be worth it to them.
 
Might cost me a little more, but the stuff works great, and the future is leaning "green". Makes a great closer for many jobs.
Just my 2 cents worth. I'm here to learn. I have found more PM's and residential customers I speak with are impressed with the 100 % environmentally friendly, biodegradable chemical alternative.
 
Might cost me a little more, but the stuff works great, and the future is leaning "green". Makes a great closer for many jobs.
Just my 2 cents worth. I'm here to learn. I have found more PM's and residential customers I speak with are impressed with the 100 % environmentally friendly, biodegradable chemical alternative.

everything is biodegradable given enough time
 
Jim,
I clean a lot of concrete with caustic and have never left a customer with dead grass or plants.As for danger to pets and children we don't use caustic in a residential setting and the chems we use for that work are controlled and rinse very thoroughly.
I'm not unconcerned with the safety of my customers or their patrons,but after burning my lungs a few times I willing to explore other options for my own sake as well.
That doens't mean I want to buy enough chems to make 55 gallons to see if I will be happy with the end results or not.
I rarely ask for samples from and dsitributor,but if I'm going to spend money with them I need 2 things in return.Quality customer service and reliable products since I have never used any of the chems from Espec I don't feel asking for a sample is out of line.
It's strictly up to the distributor if they want to earn some business from me or not.I'm certainly not the biggest fish in the industry so the little bit I will spend every month may not be worth it to them.

Squirtgun, Not trying to be a smartazz but have you tried a respirator? It makes a big difference. I only use caustic on my comm restaurant accounts to cut grease and the black concrete on entry ways. I mix it as weak as possible and still get the job done. Rinse well and neutralize with an acid when in doubt if it will reactivate and harm someone.

Kemp
 
True DJ, but some chems can pass through the POTW, they dont have all the time required to breakdown in the system, and in most parts the POTW's are overworked/undersized for the rapid population growth,................. it is a major concern of the authorities.
 
A $20 power pack makes 5 gallons of the concentrate (of the Powerstroke) depending on your application methods and condition of the surface you may cut it 3 or 4 to 1 prior to a DS application. Then again you may use it straight , so worst case it will cover whatever you can clean with 5 gallons of soap up to what ever you can cover with 25 gallons of ds applied soap.

Really you just have to give it a try to get the dilution ratio for the way you clean, because everyones speed, methods and dirt is different. One thing I can tell you is that it does work well and is much safer to use.
 
Squirtgun, Not trying to be a smartazz but have you tried a respirator? It makes a big difference. I only use caustic on my comm restaurant accounts to cut grease and the black concrete on entry ways. I mix it as weak as possible and still get the job done. Rinse well and neutralize with an acid when in doubt if it will reactivate and harm someone.

Kemp

The respirator is great until temps get into the upper 90's with and equal amount of humidity.We only use caustic on commercial restaurant concrete as well and we also use and an acid to help lower the final ph.

Paul Thanks for the info about the power pack.Thats a minimal price to get 5 gallons of product to try vs. buying enough to make 100 gallons plus.
 
Look it guys, Caustic is extremely BAD for the environment. If you do not recover every gram, every mixed drop that is absorbed into the cement, when it rains, it will go to the storm drains.

According to our EPA out here in N. California, they will find you by the streams that are dead. They will trace the chemical location back to the source. They will investigate it and find the location that it was used at. Then put pressure on the owner of the property, your customer. Find out that you did it and fine you both, the owner and you in excess of $10,000 ea. Oh ya, the customer will love you for that one.

Also, your basic insurance will not cover any damage to the environment caused by you from putting a known chemical down the storm drain that is label corrosive, or danger to the environment. You need to have a clause in your insurance saying that you are using chemicals that will harm the environment. and when you get that clause in writing, if they are dumb enough to cover anyone who freely admits to their insurance of using the stuff and pouring down the storm drain unchecked, then the insurance company would be on the hook for the whole ball of wax. I would love to see that policy and the $$$ amounts that they would cover. It would have to have coverage in 10 million or more would be my guess. As far as the yearly premium costs, well, just forget about your 1,500 a year for insurance for 2- 5 million which the big boys wants you to carry. Try raising it up to 50k a year plus for a AAA insurance company, and ONLY if you have been certified by the state to haul it and approved to use it by Haze Mat. Then having a writing procedure on how you plain to use it safely with reclamation of the product filed with the state and on the truck, for anyone who requests to see it, at the location where you are using it.

Now I am sure that everyone on this board is following the Federal guidelines when using this toxic chemical. Ya right.

They only way you can use caustic in California, is if you reclaim every drop. Rinse with a pressure washer the surface that the chemical was applied to, then neutralize the area with a weak acid. Then take your reclamation of the caustic, bring the PH down to 10 to 11 Ph, depending on the Sanitation District you have a permit with, and dump it only then in controlled amounts.

Caustic is a great cleaner, however, handling, reclamation, possible fines, environmental issues and the permits make it a very difficult chemical to use properly under uncontrolled, unconfined situations.

This chemical will kill everything that is alive, if giving the chance.

As far as plant life, if the area has a low PH factor in the soil ( 5.0), mixed with enough 7.0 water ( extremely Diluted), you might be alright to the plant life in those extreme cases.

This is what the EPA says to us about chemicals:

1) Take a 1 gallon fish bowl, fill 3/4 with fresh tap water.

2) Put 3 gold fish in the tank.

3) Mix you chemical like you usually would.

4) Pour the amount of mixed chemical that you would use in the same giving area.

5) If the fish die in 4 days or less, you can not use it.



Whew Ok, That's my 2 cents !
 
Both the greenness/safety of the alternatives (usually butyl based) and the hazzards of this main base can often be exagerated without an ounce of attention to concentration levels during real world use, dilution, or natural neutralizing. Being it hard to guess at how much strength is left after cleaning with it it would be best to neutralize either an acid or a base and not let it go down stream. What's detrimental or harmfull to the environment in case of NaOH is the salt left over is no good for freshwater aquatic life. It's not that it is crazy toxic.. heck it is used in food, household products galore, as a water ph adjuster,, you name it.
 
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