Boston Fatal fire last month

Ron Musgraves said:
that's a big assumption.
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That's a fact Jack...can anyone name that movie?

They clearly did not do their job correctly, and did not have the proper tools or education/experience to know how, or know better.

After looking a little closer at the article, I read that the company had a contract to clean everything except the stack, or chimney. It will be interesting to see if they are held accountable for neglecting the full system, when they were contracted to only clean certain areas.

They also seem to be a "cleaning" service, I do not see anything about fire protection, or prevention on their material. I would like to see a copy of their contract.
 
If they had a contract... Actually they better hope that they did at least that is a little something... Still they did not follow the NFPA.. They should have said we clean it all or nothing.. then again the owner should have known who he was hiring... But then again the company cleaning the hood if they were not a hood cleaning company they should have never cleaned the hood and if they were a hood cleaning company they should have been better educated... Stupidity is no excuse for disobeying the law.... What about fire suppression , did it go off, was it inspected properly, was there a servicing company for the system... If they had the system inspected and the system did not go off the fire equipment company is going to get a call into the mix also..
 
That's a fact Jack...can anyone name that movie?


Stripes.
 
JohnB said:
What about fire suppression , did it go off, was it inspected properly, was there a servicing company for the system... If they had the system inspected and the system did not go off the fire equipment company is going to get a call into the mix also..
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The fire started in the crawl space where the exhaust duct was leaking grease, this is far above the fire suppression system
 
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A cell phone pic of the explosion

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Damn... Thats bad.. I guess I didnt knoe the whole story.. There is a restaurant in a mall here in Jackson that has a lateral duct running thru the ceiling and grease is pouring out of seams in the duct and onto the ceiling tiles.. I saw it about a year ago .. I offered to replace the entire duct system I think the proposal was around 3600.00 to remove the old duct and run a 21 foot duct up 2 stories high.. pretty good price huh.. The company would not pay so the manager said no.. I left ... Dont know anymore about it but I have eaten at this restaurant a few times since then and its always smokey in there and smells like grease... Oh well.. None of my tags are on it...
 
No charges to be filed in blaze that killed two firefighters
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By Donovan Slack, Globe Staff

Suffolk County prosecutors will not press criminal charges against the owners of the West Roxbury restaurant where two Boston firefighters died in a blaze last August.

District Attorney Daniel F. Conley announced today that a criminal investigation of the deaths determined that conditions at the Tai Ho restaurant did not warrant charges of criminal negligence or manslaughter.

Firefighters Paul J. Cahill and Warren Payne died Aug. 29 in a massive fireball fueled by grease that had built up in the Centre Street restaurant's kitchen exhaust system.

"As in every death investigation, our legal obligation in this case was specifically to determine whether any crime was committed: that is, whether any action by any individual or individuals rose to the level of wanton and reckless conduct, causing the deaths of these two firefighters," Conley said in a statement

"After a complete and thorough review of all of the evidence, I have determined that there is no basis for criminal charges to issue," he said.

The conclusion of Conley's investigation paves the way for the release of autopsy and toxicology reports to the Boston Fire Department and its special board of inquiry charged with investigating the deaths.

Boston Fire Commissioner Roderick Fraser publicly assailed the board last month for not obtaining the reports before issuing their report on the fire.

Two government officials briefed on the autopsy reports told the Globe in October that they indicated Payne had traces of cocaine in his system and Cahill had a blood-alcohol-content of 0.27, more than three times the legal limit for drivers in Massachusetts.

"I'm glad to hear that the district attorney has completed his investigation," Fraser said yesterday. "We hope to review the investigation and autopsy reports and then we'll determine what our next steps will be."
 
Fatal fire prompts hearing for grease-cleaning regulations
March 26, 2008 01:17 PM

By Donovan Slack, Globe Staff

The Boston City Council plans to hold a public hearing before passing a new law proposed by the mayor to regulate companies who clean grease from restaurant kitchens, the council said today.

The legislation, which would require formal certification of commercial grease cleaners, comes seven months after two Boston firefighters died in a grease fire at the Tai Ho restaurant in West Roxbury.

"I think this is a great piece of legislation coming out of the tragedy last August," said Councilor Stephen Murphy, who chairs the council's Public Safety Committee.

But Murphy said it may need some tweaking before passage. For example, he said he wants to make sure that city inspectors have the resources they need to enforce the law.

Under the proposed ordinance, inspectors are responsible for meting out penalties to non-certified cleaners and restaurants who hire them. Violators could be fined up to $200 per day and restaurants could be shut down.

The measure was referred to the council's Government Operations Committee, which will hold the hearing before the full council votes on the legislation. Murphy asked during today's council meeting that the committee act quickly.

"The quicker we can get something on the books, the safer we will be with this industry," he said.

Currently, grease-cleaning companies are not licensed or regulated in Massachusetts, something that industry specialists say has given way to sloppy cleaning and fire hazards, such as that in the Tai Ho.

The restaurant owner hired J&B Cleaning of Roslindale to remove grease from cooking equipment in June last year, three months before the fire, but a receipt indicates that J&B cleaned the stove and a roof vent, but not the kitchen exhaust pipe.

Fire investigators determined that grease from the pipe seeped into the kitchen ceiling and ignited, causing the fatal blaze. Firefighters Paul J. Cahill and Warren Payne died in the Aug. 29 blaze.

Donovan Slack can be reached at dslack@globe.com
 
I do not put any responsibility on the cleaner. He cleaned what he billed for and noted it on his invoice. What else should he have done? Only one thing. He could have notified the Fire inspector. OOPS, Thats not in the codes. Thats not a good thing for us overall. And most fire inspectors dont want to hear word one from us. Maybe now they will. The customer just goes somewhere else. Maybe thats ok for some, maybe not. HOLY CRAP, sounds like the duct was inaccessible. Also it was not inspected. The hood cleaner cleaned what he contracted to clean.
Lets say the restaurant guy said, can you clean my floor? Can you clean this extra set of filters? Can you clean just the hood and filters? A hood cleaner can say yes, then put on his report exactly what he cleaned. It is up to the inspectors to make the restaurant get the rest of the job done. Being that no one forced the owner, he skipped it. We are here providing a cleaning service. If we say we cleaned the entire system, then we are responsible for the entire cleaning. If a customer wants only a few things cleaned, we can do that too. Just indicate it on the INVOICE. What do you do with customers that need 4 month cleanings and only want 6 months. Some you continue to clean some you dump. You recommend an increase in cleanings on your report and then move on. Focus boys focus. It is the inspectors that dropped the ball. You know, the inspectors that the codes specify how many times the systems should be inspected . Say who are the inspectors? Who makes inspections manditory. Seems like we are held responsible for vague cleaning specs and the inspectors are given a free ride. The buck stops with us. Not fair, not reasonable.
 
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