Aluminum Baffle Filters

Dlee

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I haven't verified it so it must be a rumor. Are Aluminum Baffle Grease filters acceptable for use in commercial kitchen exhaust systems.

I've heard it from two different sources (people in the know or know not) that they have been discontinued for use in commercial cooking exhaust systems.

Could someone please set me straight on this rumor. I don't have the new NFPA 96 2004 yet.
 
nfpa 96 2001 ed., 6.2.3.1 "Grease filters shall be listed and constructed of steel or listed equivalent material."

Is aluminum equivalent? In my opinion, no.
My 2004 edition is at the office, I will check it tommorrow.
 
I have cleaned alot of Aluminum filters and have seen disposable UL listed aluminum filters, mostly in chinese restaurants.

These disposable aluminum are so flemsy they get malformed from just looking at them.

I wish we (Exhaust cleaners) had the authority to shut these places down until they get with the program. Wouldn't that be wild if restauranteurs respected greasers.
 
This is my first post so I hope this works. I hope that the aluminum filters are ok to use because I've actually been selling alot of them to replace mesh filters. Can't get people to spend the money on good filters. I personally like cleaning the mesh filters better than some of these flimsy piece of crap aluminum ones. I don't sell the throw away aluminum. ( junk )
 
Hoodfella,

Catchy name, I just watched Goodfella's for the third time in two weeks the other day. My daughter likes the movie and I should probably be concerned.

I don't have the latest release of the NFPA 96 but will get it soon in PDF format. I have been in meetings with some of the big boys (Major Players in KEC) here in Dallas, TX and thought it was odd to hear Aluminum Filters are out. To afraid to show my level knowledge nor did I want to waste time debating it. So I ask the question here which I know I will get a dependable answer with real knowledge behind the answer.

This is a SU Pah (Great) BBS.

Thank Ron Musgraves for being so generous.


THANKS MAN
 
2004 Edition
6.2.3.1 "Grease filters shall be listed and constructed of steel or listed equivalent material".

6.2.3.2 "Grease filters shall be of rigid construction that will not distort or crush under normal operation, handling and cleaning conditions."
 
Thanks Chris good point about the disposable type I've seen in some places.

Still looking for anything in the NFPA that discontinues the use of Aluminum type filters. I personally think they are a poor choice.

I think we should all band to gether as Hood Cleaners and tell our customers "We no longer support that version" it worked for Microsoft.
 
We found the perfect answer to dispensing with the 'toss out' filters. Client insisted we clean them in usual manner. We honored request - placed in soak tank in hot, potent chem. An hour later they were not to be found. Apparently they flushed out the drain valve in solution. We found some frame remnants and solved the case of the disappearing filters. We swore off disposable filters and have not cleaned them in years. Also mesh filters - often you cannot clean them no matter what you do. If a client really insists on keeping these we simply refer them to a competitor.

Richard
 
Another good point and speaking of customers who continually go cheerfully cheap in everything they do at their restaurant is pathetic. I get really bothered sometimes explaining the importance of grease tight duct work, the need of an access panel, weather proof flexible conduit for the fan, daily cleaning of the filters, the difference between hood cleaning and exhaust cleaning and grease containment for roof top fans. All the while you are spewing your knowledge and concern into them they haven't heard a damn word and if you pause they interject crazy BS like "well the roof is new and has a twenty year warranty so we aren't interested in a containment system" or the previous cleaning company never mentioned the need for an access panel or the last company was cleaning it for $250 and they drove 2 hours to get here. Last night I bid a job were the previous company got fired cause one of their other restaurant caught fire and I guess the fire marshall nailed the cleaning company so the owner is looking for a new company to clean the exhaust system. I had to deal with the manager that is partial to the previous company, I just wanted to say "Knock, Knock, Knock, Mcfly!"
 
I have a filter exchange program with close to 300 customers.I buy aluminum filters from aircon.I use them and what ever I get back from the customers when we start.If aluminum is illegal I never heard of it.Who would enforce such a thing?

I start customers with brand new systems that have aluminum in them all the time,I guess no one told the hood manufacturers about it eather.Just use what ever you want,and don't worry so much.
 
Most AHJ's have tossed out the mesh and disposable aluminum in my area. I only sell aluminum filters to my customers if they demand it. I always recommend heavier stainless or galvanized metal.
 
How 'bout NO filters? We have encountered quite a few who get away with it!
 
Doesn't that drive you nuts, you get to the store and they have the center filter stuffed in beside a fryer letting all the char and sticky fry grease coat the duct and fan. I just want to grab and shake them. They have no idea of the function of a baffle filter. You try to explain, "no filter means no protection from flame, big mess if system discharges". Like taking the filter out really makes it cooler in the kitchen, AAAHHH. Richard, you hit a nerve.
 
I dont think they go against NFPA 96 and they definately aren't illegal. Look at the wording, it leaves a lot of room for interpretation similar to "easily accessible". Who is to say that if an aluminum filter is UL listed then it can't be used just because it is aluminum?

BTW if you want some really bitchen filters, sell your customer some of these. I wish all of my customers had them.

http://www.questmetal.com/htmprod/qfg.htm
 
I think they should reinstate mesh filters. High quality mesh filters trap a hell of a lot of the grease vapors. More than the baffle filters that allow grease galore to get up into the duct. Think about it. How many times have you gone into a restaurant that hasnt been cleaned in years? The fliters havent been cleaned but the air still passes thru them! I would like to see the filters get blocked up with grease and allow less and less air thru. Finally there would be a piece of equipment that almost forced a restaurant to get their hood cleaned. Or at least it would indicate that something was wrong cause the place was filling up with smoke. Baffle filters look good but they dont help us motivate cleaning.
 
Ever been called out to a resturant fire w/the Mesh filters? Fire passes through the mesh filters, setting fire to the plenum and duct. Baffle filters slow the flames, because of the convoluted path. Aluminum filters, mesh and baffle tend to melt and deform in a fire. This allows the flame to pass into the plenum and duct easily. Exhaust fires are impressive, especially as the flame exist the top of the duct. I've seen fires that caused the aluminum fan to melt and the fan motor drops into the duct.

Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
 
Douglas,
I understand what you are saying. My point is obviously "beating a dead horse " but I think it is something we should consider. Your example of burnt twisted filters. The restaurant burnt to the ground but the stainless steel, baffle filters were ok.
I dont think filters can stop a fire, perhaps deter it a little, but those grease fires and not easily contained. Look at it this way, a fire burnt the duct, fan ,filter etc etc. That was not the filters fault it, was the owner who let grease accumulate in the system to a point where if fueled the fire all the way up to the roof.
Now baffle filters may misdirect the flames but they also allow a lot more vapors up into the duct. Look at some of the pics on this site. Horrible duct, but I bet the filters were still allowing the air thru. I vote for filters that get blocked up and dont allow air thru when they system needs a cleaning. A smoke filled kitchen is more of a motivation for cleaning than the possibility of the "AHJ" stopping in. If the eventually do, will they site the owner? Ahhhh, look at the pics. Looks like years of grease.
I have seen stainless steel , several layered mesh filters. They do a much better job of catching the grease. Unfortunately they keep it. But lets say that there is a fire on a system that has mesh filters and has been cleaned. The mesh filters with grease in them will add fuel to the fire. OK. But the system being in good condition the fire is kept at the filters cause there is nothing else to burn in the duct.
My motivation is to keep the restaurants system grease free. (Actually money is my motivation) I am all for something that keeps the cleanings on track. Mesh filters are just another potential motivation for cleanings.

Another small point, ever put baffle filters in a hood that was meant for mesh. Often the angle of the filters is such that rather than the grease flowing down the baffle, it drips back on to the cooking area. The angle is too great to allow the baffle filters to work properly.
 
One thing to consider:

Facilitec recently purchased Prisim's filter business and all their accounts (filter business only).
We all know what Prisim's filters look like.

I think it is safe to say that we may see these filters in restaurants more and more.
 
ive actually heard of a guy who makes filters and does filter exchange, he has filters with a really small gap in between the baffles, so after the filters get crapped up, they will not allow anything to pass through, so it forces the restaurants to get the filters cleaned and the hoods cleaned. not a bad idea huh
 
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