2 Step

RonFHC

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Hello

Is there an aluminum brightener out there that will not leave the white haze? 2 stepped with HF on some fuel tanks and diamond plate and had to follow up with metal polish to get rid of the white haze. Granted, it was easier to remove the haze than the build up that was there previously.

Thanks for the advice.

Take care

Ron
 
Ron

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Ron,

I've found that if I use a very diluted HF in a 2 step, it has actually not whitened the aluminum but made it shiny. That is very diluted though. This is a truck we washed with the little 5x8 trailer I sold to a guy in Nebraska.

We 2 stepped this with some diluted HF and a caustic mix of soap containing sodium hydroxide. Had to 2 step twice but it turned out ok.

With diamond plate that they put on the trailers... for one, it's so cheap these days most anything will put white streaks in it. I have not found anything for that... I'm certain even a little HF would streak it.
 

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anyone mixing HF and their soap together? Just mix enuff to wash the truck's your washing that day. Not more then what you'll use in a couple of hour's.
I thought they would nuet. each other but you end up with a buffered acid.
Any comment's?
 
Ron,

Depending on what kind of soap you are using. If you are using a soap that has a higher PH (alkaline) and mixing it with an acid then you are simply neutralizing your acid. As far as I have been educated with the chemicals, mixing them and then putting them on is not what works. What works is the acid on first then the alkaline on second to neutralize the acid and clean the surface.

This is just what I have experienced. Results are good.
 
The only reasont hat you end up with a buffered acid is because you did not put enough Alkaline into it to fully neutralize the acid.
I guess we need to do some basic chemistry and get an understanding of how the two step method works, versus soap and a brush, and a one step method.
Remember that it all boils down to workig with the soiled surface, and getting the soil and grime to release its Ionic hold on whatever it is attached to.
The two step method works like this.
You spray on the acid, and it gets all of the little Ions to line up in straight lines, instead of being tangled up like a rope. What little adhesion that is still inherent in their character is severely weakened due to the acid being applied. When you go over with the soap, it neutralizes whaever acid is remaining so that it is not harmful to you, me and the fishes in the sea. The remainder of the soap finishes breaking the weakened ionic bond of the dirt, and makes it literally fall off of the truck or whatever other surface you are using the chemicals on.
If you are washing with a one step, or straight soap, it weakens the bond somewhat, but it is a lot harder to break the ionic bond, because all of the little ions are still tangled. So the soap has to work extra hard to remove the bonds.
If you are doing the brush thing, what you are doing is taking the ions and literally hitting them and knocking loose their hold to release the bond that the surface dirt has.

So let's review using a common schoolyard game.
Red Rover.
The first time through, none of the kids is holding hands, because the received the instruction not to hold hands, which is what the acid would do to dirt after it was applied. Little Johnny comes runningthrough and acts like soap, and gets right through and to the surface or backside of the line.
The next time through, it is straight soap, Little Johnny is not quite strong enough, so that he cannot break the bond of the kids holding hands, so he is caught on the surface with all the other little kids, but there is Bluto, and he can get through, but very well might break and or hurt someone or something because of his strength and size.
The last time is little Johnny again, This time he has a soft baseball bat. It will not hurt anything, but he can swing at other kids to get them to flinch, and eventually he will get through.

Not the best example in the world, but it kind of illustrates how the different versions of the chemicals work.


Scott Stone
 
Well, there goes my idea of mixing Listerine into my Colgate tube. I was getting tired of "brushing".
 
Dang Chuck,
I did not know you brushed your teeth. I guess that smell from the west isn't you. It must be Jon.

Scott
 
I don't 2 step yet. You spray the Acid on step one right? then you spray the alkline on step 2 right? then you spray it off with just water? or is it ok like that?
 
yes Dan. first step alway acid and second step an alkaline. You got it. I'm not your chemical genius but I do know it works and the results blow away and competition that's not 2 stepping.

I'll always 2 step... I've been doing it for years.
 
ok
I guess I would have called it "3 steping"

-----2 stepping-----
Step 1: Apply Acid
Step 2: Apply Alkiline
Step 3: Rinse
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----Other Way--------
Step 1:apply soap
Step 2 thru 10:brush brush brush, scrub scrub scrub.
Step 11: Rinse
step 12: get the spots you missed
Step 13: Rinse

I don't know which process to use?
 
I posted the whole process on our forum. It takes a long time but included pictures and the whole nine yards.

2 step is referring to the chemical. 2-step chem process. First step being the acid and second being the alkaline. The rinsing step is a required step no matter how you wash.

The acid does not really clean and if you were to use a brush, do it after the second step and do not allow any time for the acid to dry. This process is very quick as to not allow chemicals to dry.

Hope this helps. It works. We do brush when needed also but not during the first step, only after the soap has been applied. Acid is not soap. good luck. You can call me if you need any further assistance in doing this. I'll be happy to walk you through it when you have the chems and you are ready to give it a shot.
 
When using two step, Will harm any windows, or decals?? And where can I get this. I am washing a van and 5 bread trucks in 30 mins. with my wife. Its hard labor to!!! Would like to try this. Any help??? Thanks
 
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