Cheerleader car wash shut down.
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JDhomeservices
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That is ridiculous.
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tomtucson
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Another link
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2013/10...e-money-for-school-groups/UPI-43661382809515/
SAN JOSE, Calif., Oct. 26 (UPI) -- Students in San Jose, Calif., can no longer hold car washes to raise for money for school events because city officials say they endanger the environment.
Cheerleaders at Lincoln High School had to cancel a scheduled Oct. 20 car wash after a visit from the city's Environmental Services Department, the San Jose Mercury News reported Friday.
"Anything that is not storm water or rain water is considered a pollutant," said Jennie Loft, the department's acting communications manager. "If it goes into a storm drain, that pollutant will harm wildlife and habitats in the creeks."
Loft said school groups could still hold car washes if they were conducted under certain conditions. Those include washing vehicles over grassy or gravel areas, ensuring wash water doesn't go into the street, gutter or storm drain and leaving no soap stains on the ground.
The same rules apply to cars washed by their owners.
Cars can be washed with a solution that requires no water, but the concentrate costs $159 a gallon.
Lincoln cheerleaders had hoped to raise money from the car wash to fund a trip to a national competition in April.
Topics: Mercury News, San Jose Mercury
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2013/10...e-money-for-school-groups/UPI-43661382809515/
SAN JOSE, Calif., Oct. 26 (UPI) -- Students in San Jose, Calif., can no longer hold car washes to raise for money for school events because city officials say they endanger the environment.
Cheerleaders at Lincoln High School had to cancel a scheduled Oct. 20 car wash after a visit from the city's Environmental Services Department, the San Jose Mercury News reported Friday.
"Anything that is not storm water or rain water is considered a pollutant," said Jennie Loft, the department's acting communications manager. "If it goes into a storm drain, that pollutant will harm wildlife and habitats in the creeks."
Loft said school groups could still hold car washes if they were conducted under certain conditions. Those include washing vehicles over grassy or gravel areas, ensuring wash water doesn't go into the street, gutter or storm drain and leaving no soap stains on the ground.
The same rules apply to cars washed by their owners.
Cars can be washed with a solution that requires no water, but the concentrate costs $159 a gallon.
Lincoln cheerleaders had hoped to raise money from the car wash to fund a trip to a national competition in April.
Topics: Mercury News, San Jose Mercury
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
The part about homeowners is a lie and is specifically exempt by the EPA.
As far as anything but storm water being g a pollutant is curious considering the last line of the EPAs own exemptions here:
B. Exemptions.
1. Conducting or continuing any illicit discharge to the storm drain system is prohibited unless the discharge meets any of the exemptions described in this section:
a. Water line flushing or other potable water sources;
b. Landscape irrigation or lawn watering;
c. Diverted stream flows;
d. Rising groundwater or groundwater infiltration to storm drains;
e. Uncontaminated pumped groundwater;
f. Foundation or footing drains (not including active groundwater dewatering systems);
g. Crawl space pumps;
h. Air-conditioning condensation;
i. Springs;
j. Noncommercial washing of vehicles;
k. Natural riparian habitat or wetland flows;
l. Swimming pools (if dechlorinated less than one PPM chlorine);
m. Fire fighting activities; and
n. Any other water source not containing pollutants.
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As far as anything but storm water being g a pollutant is curious considering the last line of the EPAs own exemptions here:
B. Exemptions.
1. Conducting or continuing any illicit discharge to the storm drain system is prohibited unless the discharge meets any of the exemptions described in this section:
a. Water line flushing or other potable water sources;
b. Landscape irrigation or lawn watering;
c. Diverted stream flows;
d. Rising groundwater or groundwater infiltration to storm drains;
e. Uncontaminated pumped groundwater;
f. Foundation or footing drains (not including active groundwater dewatering systems);
g. Crawl space pumps;
h. Air-conditioning condensation;
i. Springs;
j. Noncommercial washing of vehicles;
k. Natural riparian habitat or wetland flows;
l. Swimming pools (if dechlorinated less than one PPM chlorine);
m. Fire fighting activities; and
n. Any other water source not containing pollutants.
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Scott Stone
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It was likely a local car wash that complained. They have long stood against charity car washes, preferring instead to drive them through their commercial car washes. This has always been a driving goal of theirs, and they use hysteria and connections to accomplish their goal.
Rance
Active member
CL that statement is ugly in itself. Anyway to bad for those cheerleaders.
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
No one knows ugly till they've been to a power washing event. Lol
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CL Scott
Active member
It was supposed to be funny... My bad!
Rapid HotClean
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CL Scott
Active member
Not the cheerleaders! The ones shutting it down must be butt-a$$... Well, have low self esteem. The ones that don't get picked for the team or don't get asked to dance. Who else would have a problem with such an event? The 40 year old wife who got traded for 2-20 year olds... That's who shut this down!
ABC
New member
So is this legal or not legal.
Theses events happen all the time in my parts.
Bikinis and bubble gum draws the customers.
It seems to me that if any of the runoff made it to the gulf it would be like peeing in the ocean and trying to find some measurable difference in the sea level.
CL glad you explained that. I was starting to think there was something wrong man. Those cheerleaders are cute!!!!!
Theses events happen all the time in my parts.
Bikinis and bubble gum draws the customers.
It seems to me that if any of the runoff made it to the gulf it would be like peeing in the ocean and trying to find some measurable difference in the sea level.
CL glad you explained that. I was starting to think there was something wrong man. Those cheerleaders are cute!!!!!
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
It is legal unless regulations have been made against it at the local level.
Keep in mind washing a vehicle is polluting the property , that pollution was on vehicle you put it on property.
I see the difference, I also see how Pwna confuses regulators with these arguments.
It's a different animal and someone like Blaine should chime in here. Fleet guys have a lot at stake in this because a 100 mil company uses this to sell everyday.
Oct event San Diego free free text me for more details !!
I see the difference, I also see how Pwna confuses regulators with these arguments.
It's a different animal and someone like Blaine should chime in here. Fleet guys have a lot at stake in this because a 100 mil company uses this to sell everyday.
Oct event San Diego free free text me for more details !!
Scott Stone
New member
The deal is that wash debris coming off a vehicle is off site discharge, because the debris is not from the property where the washing is happening. That is the concern. When you start getting into Big Trucks, there is a lot of grease and debris from what could potentially be all over the country that is being deposited on one site. It is a sticky situation, and I am not sure that a charity car wash qualifies as a non commercial enterprise. Does that mean that I think that they should not be allowed? Not in the least. The debris stream, particularly from a car wash, is so minimal, that I think the greater good is met by allowing them.