can someone answer this question?

Spencer

Spencer

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Let's say you purchase 50 gallons of SH to prepair for roof cleaning. You put it in lets say a 150 gallon tank. You mix up 125 gallons of roof mix and travel to your customers that day. Or we can even say you mix on site at the customers.

1. Do you have to label the tank with corrosive placards or Sodium Hypochlorite UN number?

2. If in question one, you say no due to the fact that it has been diluted for roof mix or is only 50 gallons to mix on site. Remember it is in a 150 gallon tank. Does it then mean that when the tank is empty there is SH residue in the tank which would require you to label the tank anyway due to the fact the tank is over 119 gallons?

The reason I ask these questions is because of the following section taken from the Florida DMV Haz-Mat handbook.

Figure 9.8
Placards used to identify the primary or subsidiary hazard class of a material must have the hazard class or division number displayed in the lower corner of the placard. Permanently affixed subsidiary hazard placards without the hazard class number may be used as long as they stay within color specifications. Non-permanently affixed subsidiary hazard placards without the hazard class number may be used until October 1, 2005.
Placards may be displayed for hazardous materials even if not required so long as the placard identifies the hazard of the material being transported.
A bulk packaging is a single container with a capacity of 119 gallons or more. A bulk package, and a vehicle transporting a bulk package, must be placarded, even if it only has the residue of a hazardous material. Certain bulk packages only have to be placarded on the two opposite sides or may display labels. All other bulk packages must be placarded on all four sides.
Subsections 9.1, 9.2, and 9.3
Test Your Knowledge
Shippers package in order to (fill in the blank) the material.
Driver placard their vehicle to (fill in the blank) the risk.
What three things do you need to know to decide which placards (if any) you need?
A hazardous materials identification number must appear on the (fill in the blank) and on the (fill in the blank). The identification number must also appear on cargo tanks and other bulk packaging.
Where must you keep shipping papers describing hazardous materials?
These questions may be on your test. If you can’t answer them all, re-read subsections 9.1, 9.2 and 9.3.
 
do they make 118 gallon containers? hehe
 
My answer is not if you dont get caught. I was going through the Hampton tunnel and stopped for the guy to check my 1 propane tank. He laughed and said " you only have one?" he had a good chuckle.
 
schrec said:
My answer is not if you dont get caught. I was going through the Hampton tunnel and stopped for the guy to check my 1 propane tank. He laughed and said " you only have one?" he had a good chuckle.
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MY sentiments Exactly :)

The "politically correct" answer if you are questioned as to what is "in your tanks" ?

"Why officer, it is mostly WATER and a LITTLE bit of bleach to keep the Whino's from bathing in it " :eek: ;)
 
Thats why we have a 100 gallon tank.
You need to have a label on it.
The rule is by tank size not capacity of liquid.
A local company here got $1000 ticket for the above said offense.
 
I was calling around trying to find bulk suppliers of liquid chlorine and I was told that there are EPA & DOT Regulations regarding the transportation of SH.

I called our Florida DOT & spoke with gentleman who could not answer any of my questions. I was also wondering if this requirements are in place when the chemical is mixed with water ?

I was told to check CFR 100 - 185.

After doing some research, I was able to locate this link.
http://www.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/cfrassemble.cgi?title=200249

Does anyone have anymore specific, helpful information on this topic ?
 
Here is some info to help you out.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/lw/Publications/mcs9/hazmat.pdf

http://www.dot.state.mn.us/cvo/factsheets/hm200mot.pdf


This has been discussed on the boards many, many times, do a search and you will find more information.

I talked to some guys there in Florida and a supplier and they are only focusing on the larger carriers of chemicals but are seriously looking at the tanks on trailers now.

Even though they are not enforcing the D.O.T. Regulations (all states) does not mean that a state trooper or sheriff can't pull you over and give you a ticket.

A good rule of thumb is no chemicals over 1000 pounds, not gallons but pounds so about 90 gallons of bleach or other chemical.

If you have more than that, then you have to have placards, CDL with X endorsement (hazardous materials), Bill of lading, MSDS, etc... Huge fines and possible jail time if caught.

I know a lot of guys haul around a lot of bleach but enforcement is coming, they are giving out tickets here for all kinds of things.

If you have chemicals on your truck or trailer they must be properly labeled with the hazard markings and msds sheets in the cab within arm's reach.

Like I mentioned, this has been discussed a lot in the past, check it out.
 
I am pretty sure you dont need a placard if you are hauling less than 1000 gal.
 
I'm absolutely possitive I heard it was 1000lbs here in FL...( Or was it Nick that told me that?) :shrug: LOL...1000lbs---Final answer!
 
Russ Johnson said:
It's 1,000# in KY, too. Any mixture CONTAINING a hazardous material becomes a hazardous material, and is subject to DOT regs.

Before you placard your rigs, I know that in KY you need a CDL - Hazmat endorsed and a medical card to drive a labeled load.
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It is the same here, pretty much all the states that the
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION has jurisdiction over the roads and highways which is all the states.

I know the cops and constables can watch you all day long but they don't know the D.O.T. Regulations like the State Troopers and Sheriffs do so they don't know what to enforce, they just worry about their coffee and nonuts.....I mean doughnuts. hahahahaha

Guys, just because they are not handing out tickets yet in Florida does not mean that they are not or will not.

Be careful out there.
 
Phew !! :smilewinkgrin:
Thank you very much for the information !!

I found this thread by doing several searches on this BBS, but I didn't find anything conclusive, so I thought I would ask for some clarification. It never hurts to be sure of what you are doing. :yeah:

I spent about $3200 and about 9 months driving the big rigs cross country and during that time I got my hazmat endorsement. That required a $95 FBI background check in addition to the extra classes involved. The company I worked for, Prime, Inc., took care of all of the signs that were required.

Honestly, I thought the DOT regulations were intended only for the rigs that carry hazardous materials commercially.
 
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