John T Please explain who is telling tall Tales

Ron Musgraves

Ron Musgraves

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John if these comments are made towards Doug or myself I do find them vary offensive. You know that telling others behind the scenes we are Liars is just cowardly.

Lets settle this once and for all, I can tell you this Facts are the facts.

First I'll give you a chance for clarity
 
Ron Musgraves said:
John if these comments are made towards Doug or myself I do find them vary offensive. You know that telling others behind the scenes we are Liars is just cowardly.

Lets settle this once and for all, I can tell you this Facts are the facts.

First I'll give you a chance for clarity
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Ok..sorry I had to cut out on your call-- I can't stay on hold forever..lol
Your causing me to work-- looking for the answers to your questions now. I know them and I'm reading disturbing things now because you want me to look back... Give me a few and if I can snare the statement I'll put it right here.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
John if these comments are made towards Doug or myself I do find them vary offensive. You know that telling others behind the scenes we are Liars is just cowardly.

Lets settle this once and for all, I can tell you this Facts are the facts.

First I'll give you a chance for clarity
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Ron you got my voice mail.. and we also know if I put stuff here I'll get banned in a NY minute... The statement I made on PWRA was over what I told you it was..
What is it you want from me??
 
Clean County PW said:
Never happen William.. Find it.
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? You got caught lying here two days ago saying that no one on the thread had ever talked to officials except you and Robert. You even apologized for it after you were called out twice. Now We have your words above with another lie. Don't get upset with me.
 
offdutyfireman said:
? You got caught lying here two days ago saying that no one on the thread had ever talked to officials except you and Robert. You even apologized for it after you were called out twice. Now We have your words above with another lie. Don't get upset with me.
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Hey William, post the links for us if that is what happened, I have not been following that too closely it all makes my head hurt!
 
offdutyfireman said:
? You got caught lying here two days ago saying that no one on the thread had ever talked to officials except you and Robert. You even apologized for it after you were called out twice. Now We have your words above with another lie. Don't get upset with me.
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Russ -What William is talking about is in the EPA thread. I said in a Ppst that me and Robert were probably the only guys here who sat in with officials and Scott Stone and Tony posted that they dealt with Lobbyist. So because of that and I had no clue about that William pointed out that makes me a liar and I need to apologize and say I was wrong..

How bizaar can this get. So since William took offense to it I apologized to him that this bothered him. I also admitted apparently I misspoke because I never new this about Scott or Tony. If William says this still makes me a liar because I didn't know.. Well what can you say.......
 
Here's what I said there.
"The problem in here is that none of you except for Robert and myself have ever sat in with gov't officials. What Chris says above and contractors in general think the same is wishful thinking and we all would love that. What your not understanding is that there's a system in place."
 
Here's Williams post.. Scott Stone and Tony are in there somewhere talking about Lobbyist.
"I have set down with gov't officials in my area. I know Tony and Ron have. Jeff L has. I have done it in two different states. John, you can't just say stuff and hope it turns out to be true."
 
The way the Conversation was going in there like you can just tell the AHJ's how to do there jobs etc etc it's like these guys never really sat in with these as I like to refer them to "People of Power" because you just don't tell them how to do their jobs..

So William says he talked to Gov't officials so that makes me a liar.. Where I'm from that doesn't make a man a liar.

I did tell William I misspoke then. I don't know his history so that doesn't mean I am a liar.. Do you see how bizaar this gets on the net?
 
Ron Musgraves said:
Who are you suggesting is telling tall tales John ?




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Sorry Ron I'm not going to bite. I looked back at probably a 1000 Post tonight and what I read in some of them is troubling. Including by some who don't respond here anymore or the other bb's either. Probably because there out of business or at least not posting anymore.

You want your answers then start going back thru 100's if not 1000's of post like I did the other night to track down Kendra's post concerning her involvement with the PWNA and about that couple who was haunting her.

So is there a compromise??
 
Clean County PW said:
Russ -What William is talking about is in the EPA thread. I said in a Ppst that me and Robert were probably the only guys here who sat in with officials and Scott Stone and Tony posted that they dealt with Lobbyist. So because of that and I had no clue about that William pointed out that makes me a liar and I need to apologize and say I was wrong..

How bizaar can this get. So since William took offense to it I apologized to him that this bothered him. I also admitted apparently I misspoke because I never new this about Scott or Tony. If William says this still makes me a liar because I didn't know.. Well what can you say.......
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I never asked you to apologize or to offense. It is not bizarre. If you say something that is not true it is a lie. You are a grown man. You do not have to explain your actions to me.
 
offdutyfireman said:
I never asked you to apologize or to offense. It is not bizarre. If you say something that is not true it is a lie. You are a grown man. You do not have to explain your actions to me.
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Now your being very bizarre-- starting reading your post in there starting with 661 where your commenting about apologizing.... Then keep going where your asking me to man up and admit I was wrong.... Yup keep going further..
Look what you say in post 678 where you tell everyone that i ran the post to the ground and Robert Ran off...

Hello read post 679 Robert post again... In your book that makes you a liar. In my book that doesn't brand anyone as a liar...so which is it?? You can't have it both ways.

Oh by the way that thread has had 1000's of more views since then...

And William I don't need an apology from you because I don't brand you as a liar.
 
John. Read the words that are written. Never once did I say I was offended. Never once did I ask you to apologize. When you spoke of credibility I said that when a man lies he needs to step up and admit it. When you say something that is not true, it is a lie. Not a "mispoken" word. If you do not know if it is true or not, then don't say it. In regards to your comments about post 678: I said "John has run this post into the ground and Robert has run off". That much is true. It was also preceded by the phrase "I guess". My comment was speculative and an observation. Not written as fact. I am not sure what your end game is. I don't think you want to hurt the industry like others do. I think maybe you see being used as being accepted. I can't live my life that way but maybe it work for others. I am glad that you are not expecting an apology as I have none to give. I wish you well in your washing career and whatever life brings your way. We live our lives by two different standards so I don't think that we will ever see eye to eye on to many things. Not that one standard is right or wrong, just different.
 
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