PWProducts
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We are offerring the the Delavan 5850-101E for $115 and the Fatboy for $215. Call Lori for information.
Delavan 5850 $115 and Fatboy $215
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offdutyfireman
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Good price on the fatboy. Is it already rewired with the heavy relay or the standard out of the box one?
Christopher
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Lori, you are just a posting machine!
You sure have some great prices on those products!
Slow down, you are burn up the keys on your keyboard. hahahahaha
Give me a call, I need to talk to you about something, won't take long.
You sure have some great prices on those products!
Slow down, you are burn up the keys on your keyboard. hahahahaha
Give me a call, I need to talk to you about something, won't take long.
IndyExterior
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Lori, just to make sure I'm comparing apples for apples, do you handle the Delavan's the same way Pressure Tek does as far as modifying the pumps and personal warranty? <o></o>
Pressure Tek offers:
"Take for instance the Delavan pumps we sell…on the 5800 series we disassemble everyone and modify the motor casing and brush assembly for the rigorous punishment that chlorine inflicts not only as a liquid but also as a gas. And after being reassembled, they are bench tested and the pressure switches set correctly for a long pump life. This has reduced our warranty claims dramatically and decreased our customers down time. Buying your Delavan pumps for roof cleaning from another supplier is a gamble because the manufacturer does not warranty their pumps for chlorine use and it is up to your supplier to take care of your problem. At Pressure Tek we have you covered!! If your Delavan pump fails within a year’s period, we will repair or replace the pump NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!!!"
Pressure Tek offers:
"Take for instance the Delavan pumps we sell…on the 5800 series we disassemble everyone and modify the motor casing and brush assembly for the rigorous punishment that chlorine inflicts not only as a liquid but also as a gas. And after being reassembled, they are bench tested and the pressure switches set correctly for a long pump life. This has reduced our warranty claims dramatically and decreased our customers down time. Buying your Delavan pumps for roof cleaning from another supplier is a gamble because the manufacturer does not warranty their pumps for chlorine use and it is up to your supplier to take care of your problem. At Pressure Tek we have you covered!! If your Delavan pump fails within a year’s period, we will repair or replace the pump NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!!!"
offdutyfireman
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That's why I like Bob's stuff.
PWProducts
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Has Delavan approved modifying their design? Where is the proof that the pump has been modified when you recieve it? Who pays for the shipping for warranty issues? Who covers your lost time on jobs? Makes sense to ask the tough questions.... Lori
BTW, I have heard that a number of the 12V pump suppliers no longer allow you to return the 12V's over and over. Quite simply, these pumps are not made for pumping SH. Is that true for most of you?
Avoid the hassle and go with an air diaphragm pump set-up. Look at the time and money that you save in the long run. Ask Larry from All Surface.
BTW, I have heard that a number of the 12V pump suppliers no longer allow you to return the 12V's over and over. Quite simply, these pumps are not made for pumping SH. Is that true for most of you?
Avoid the hassle and go with an air diaphragm pump set-up. Look at the time and money that you save in the long run. Ask Larry from All Surface.
offdutyfireman
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Bob covers the warranty, not Delevan. The proof is that he states it and carries a lot of weight and respect in the industry. And I have taken it apart to observe it myself. Bob pays for the shipping. There is no lost time because they are sold to work. Not just sent straight out of the box with known problems to the unsuspecting contractor. Ask tough questions, get tough answers. I assume from the non reply that your pumps are not opened and beefed up and that they carry no warranty.
PWProducts
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Larry Millette
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I have respect for Bob and love him as much as the next guy/gal but I must tell ya. I've gotten 2 Delavans. One that I won from the on line Fl RT a year ago and one that Chris brought me fresh out of the box when he came to the Fl RT this year in Tampa. The first one I killed due to improper wiring in 3 days and the second one lasted me for 1 job. It wasn't Bobs fault that they died but they sure couldn't play very long in the field. Now I've got another one that is starting to grind and it's only a couple of months old. ARRrrg! I like my new Air Flow Pump! I just seem to have BaaaaaaaD luck with 12volt pumps.
Russ Spence
Commercial Pressure Wash Expert
all of the 5800 series pumps are in my oponion "garbage" when it comes to running love thru them, the fat boy is a beast of a pump though!
I thought about switching to the Yamada, I ordered one off of ebay last year and never got it, they oversold their stock and ran out so my $$$$ as refunded, I have the air compressor already but I have not made room for it all as of yet.
Maybe a winter project? I have 7 roofs lined up for Thursday Friday and Sunday (Saturday is College football)
I thought about switching to the Yamada, I ordered one off of ebay last year and never got it, they oversold their stock and ran out so my $$$$ as refunded, I have the air compressor already but I have not made room for it all as of yet.
Maybe a winter project? I have 7 roofs lined up for Thursday Friday and Sunday (Saturday is College football)
PWProducts
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The air diaphragm set-up's seem to separate commercial work from.....
I understand that the start-up cost is a HUGE issue for many that go from a 12V to the air diaphragm. Ask those whom have had both the 12V and the air diaphragms? Which pump lasts longer? We prefer All-Flo. Lori
I understand that the start-up cost is a HUGE issue for many that go from a 12V to the air diaphragm. Ask those whom have had both the 12V and the air diaphragms? Which pump lasts longer? We prefer All-Flo. Lori
PWProducts
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Well stated, Larry. Bob is a great guy. He has given a lot to the industry. Lori
offdutyfireman
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I assume because I don't know. Do you warranty them and rebuild them to beef them up?
IndyExterior
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This was posted by me some time ago in another roof cleaning forum after one of my 5800 died.
5800 Autopsy
I felt certain the 5800 pump failure was because of insufficient rinsing after use. I was wrong. All the Viton valves looked like new. As did the inner housings. After I removed the pump assembly I ran the motor. It would barely operate. I disassembled the electric motor. The hair size tension spring for one of the brushes had broken off from rust. So thumping on the pump allowed enough contact to get the motor running.
I did not mount this pump in a box and ran it unprotected on the trailer. Not a good idea. The inside of the motor looked like it had seen service on a salt water vessel.
The new Fat Boy is in a battery box housing.
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Bob's response.
Rick, You have found the week spot in the 5800 series. As of 6 months ago all 5800 series pumps we sell are disassembled and this problem fixed in our shop. We have had 1 return for this problem since.
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Bob Williamson
It's clear that Delevan won't warrant the pumps that are sold to pump SH. Bob has addressed this problem and modified and thus provides a warranty. I got 2 years of hard use, as hard as a 8 month season can be out of my first Delevan.
But the question remains. Do you modify and/or warrant the Delevans for SH use? It's a fair question prior to a purchase.
The air diaphragm does sound like a better unit.
5800 Autopsy
I felt certain the 5800 pump failure was because of insufficient rinsing after use. I was wrong. All the Viton valves looked like new. As did the inner housings. After I removed the pump assembly I ran the motor. It would barely operate. I disassembled the electric motor. The hair size tension spring for one of the brushes had broken off from rust. So thumping on the pump allowed enough contact to get the motor running.
I did not mount this pump in a box and ran it unprotected on the trailer. Not a good idea. The inside of the motor looked like it had seen service on a salt water vessel.
The new Fat Boy is in a battery box housing.
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Bob's response.
Rick, You have found the week spot in the 5800 series. As of 6 months ago all 5800 series pumps we sell are disassembled and this problem fixed in our shop. We have had 1 return for this problem since.
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Bob Williamson
It's clear that Delevan won't warrant the pumps that are sold to pump SH. Bob has addressed this problem and modified and thus provides a warranty. I got 2 years of hard use, as hard as a 8 month season can be out of my first Delevan.
But the question remains. Do you modify and/or warrant the Delevans for SH use? It's a fair question prior to a purchase.
The air diaphragm does sound like a better unit.
PWProducts
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Please let me clarify. I don't have the luxury of being able to drop ship from Delavan or Udor (They are the sister companies). It is my understanding that some vendors can. We choose to keep as much inventory in house as possible. We will not sell some items becuase of the rate of failure or feedback that we receive from you guys whom work VERY hard day and night. We turned down the sale of a surface cleaner today based on feedback of many....It may sound crazy. However, what does down time actually cost you on the job?
We were approached by roof cleaners a while ago to carry Delavan pumps at better pricing. Roof Cleaners felt the pricing out there was a bit high and we noticed that we could do offer the products at a lower price. Our customers did not ask for the amped up version of the Delavan's until an email went out recently stating the improvements and warranty. Hmmmm.... Make me wonder?
Due to the apparent tremendous number of 12V failures that I have read about in old posts all over the place, I have been working with Delavan for the past several weeks in offering packages which include all of the many 'Delavan recommendations' for improving and increasing the life of the Delavan 12V pumps. These improvements WILL NOT raise our low prices. Compare the prices across the board. I invite you to shop around and do a thorough job.
You asked about PWP offering a warranty. Here are the issues we face.
Some vendors can drop ship the Delavan's to you directly. We have not been granted the luxury. The drop ship vendors avoid incurring shipping charges and delays from Delavan. (We have the understanding that you do not like to deal with drop shippers.)
There has been little competition for years with the Delavan pumps. As you know, prices are usually higher without competion. Therefore, the lack of competition means that the prices have most likely been marked up without competition for years. I know this because I see the bottom line.
With the profits made over the years, a vendor may be able to offer a generous warranty. If I paid more for a 12V, I would probably expect to be able to return a 12V pump when it failed within the year warranty when I have discovered the the amounts earned in profits earned over the years.
Would you like to see higher prices with an unconditional warranty on a pump that simply is not designed by the manufacturer to handle SH?
Again, I commend all those individuals and vendors that have improved on the design of the 12V pumps. It is a specialized niche.
We still highly recommend using the air diaphragm and compressor set-up. You will not regret switching to a system that has proven the test of time.
Can someone post a poll asking, "What is the average life of your 12V pumps?"
Lori
We were approached by roof cleaners a while ago to carry Delavan pumps at better pricing. Roof Cleaners felt the pricing out there was a bit high and we noticed that we could do offer the products at a lower price. Our customers did not ask for the amped up version of the Delavan's until an email went out recently stating the improvements and warranty. Hmmmm.... Make me wonder?
Due to the apparent tremendous number of 12V failures that I have read about in old posts all over the place, I have been working with Delavan for the past several weeks in offering packages which include all of the many 'Delavan recommendations' for improving and increasing the life of the Delavan 12V pumps. These improvements WILL NOT raise our low prices. Compare the prices across the board. I invite you to shop around and do a thorough job.
You asked about PWP offering a warranty. Here are the issues we face.
Some vendors can drop ship the Delavan's to you directly. We have not been granted the luxury. The drop ship vendors avoid incurring shipping charges and delays from Delavan. (We have the understanding that you do not like to deal with drop shippers.)
There has been little competition for years with the Delavan pumps. As you know, prices are usually higher without competion. Therefore, the lack of competition means that the prices have most likely been marked up without competition for years. I know this because I see the bottom line.
With the profits made over the years, a vendor may be able to offer a generous warranty. If I paid more for a 12V, I would probably expect to be able to return a 12V pump when it failed within the year warranty when I have discovered the the amounts earned in profits earned over the years.
Would you like to see higher prices with an unconditional warranty on a pump that simply is not designed by the manufacturer to handle SH?
Again, I commend all those individuals and vendors that have improved on the design of the 12V pumps. It is a specialized niche.
We still highly recommend using the air diaphragm and compressor set-up. You will not regret switching to a system that has proven the test of time.
Can someone post a poll asking, "What is the average life of your 12V pumps?"
Lori
PWProducts
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Thank you.....Enough said. Let's get these prices lowered across the board....
Thank you, Scott! Lori
Thank you, Scott! Lori
IndyExterior
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I hope no one thinks my questions were an attack. I feel a question of warranty is fair. If not I apologize. I'm all for competition. I feel my question of comparing apples for apples is also a valid one.
I too would like to see a reasonably priced 12v pump that is designed and warranted by the mfg for SH to.
I'm also interested in the 12v question life. We don't see the heavy use those in south do.
I too would like to see a reasonably priced 12v pump that is designed and warranted by the mfg for SH to.
I'm also interested in the 12v question life. We don't see the heavy use those in south do.
PWProducts
New member
Thank you...You bring up valid points. Apples for apples is how I shop for the best deals. Thank you for the clarification.
I would also like to see a warranty from the ORIGINAL MANUFACTURER for a warranty for use with SH.
Great questions, Rick.
Lori
I would also like to see a warranty from the ORIGINAL MANUFACTURER for a warranty for use with SH.
Great questions, Rick.
Lori
Christopher
Moderator
Something that a lot of people either don't want to hear or have not heard but the Delavan is not designed to pump bleach but we all do because they are inexpensive compared to other pumps out there.
When they first came out people were burning them up either by not rinsing them out with enough water, did not use thick enough wire, too long of wires to the battery, too small of a battery, too small of hose diameter, etc...
I have had good luck with the Delavans I have purchased with no modifications but I did what was told to me about setting them up but always remembering that they are not designed to last forever, especially with pumping bleach.
There will be lemons out there and not much you can do about that but I have read on the boards a lot and most of the time when they went bad it usually was operator error in one way or another.
Both Bob and Lori have valid points about what they sell considering the modifications, warranty, price, etc....
When you think of how much money that Delavan will make you, usually many, many times the price of what it cost, it is basically a disposable pump in my opinion, a good pump but disposable.
I have spoke to people that were really pissed off that it did not last 6 months or a year but that is just how it is.
In the end, it is an inexpensive pump and when you get to the level of work that you are doing many roofs a week or per day, it is time to look at something else or have spares but when you do the math, after buying 4 of them in a year, that is almost the price of the air diaphragm pump, you can still use the same hose, hose reel, gun/wand, nozzles, etc....you just need an air compressor.
Look at the pro's that do a lot of roofs and see what they run.
Until you get to the point of doing a lot of roofs, the inexpensive pumps will get you into the business and make you money but don't expect them to last forever.
When they first came out people were burning them up either by not rinsing them out with enough water, did not use thick enough wire, too long of wires to the battery, too small of a battery, too small of hose diameter, etc...
I have had good luck with the Delavans I have purchased with no modifications but I did what was told to me about setting them up but always remembering that they are not designed to last forever, especially with pumping bleach.
There will be lemons out there and not much you can do about that but I have read on the boards a lot and most of the time when they went bad it usually was operator error in one way or another.
Both Bob and Lori have valid points about what they sell considering the modifications, warranty, price, etc....
When you think of how much money that Delavan will make you, usually many, many times the price of what it cost, it is basically a disposable pump in my opinion, a good pump but disposable.
I have spoke to people that were really pissed off that it did not last 6 months or a year but that is just how it is.
In the end, it is an inexpensive pump and when you get to the level of work that you are doing many roofs a week or per day, it is time to look at something else or have spares but when you do the math, after buying 4 of them in a year, that is almost the price of the air diaphragm pump, you can still use the same hose, hose reel, gun/wand, nozzles, etc....you just need an air compressor.
Look at the pro's that do a lot of roofs and see what they run.
Until you get to the point of doing a lot of roofs, the inexpensive pumps will get you into the business and make you money but don't expect them to last forever.