Carwashguys Close Down

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
Will is a great guy, I have made a friendship with Will over teh phone in the last few months. I admire the way he faced the challenges of working with a franchise thats no longer. Then he took them on heads ups

i'm posting this because i believe this machine is a good product and I know it was Built by a Good technician. The man who built the machine for Will name is Jason AT aaapressure washers in tempe Arizona.

Take a look and lets see if we can help Will out.
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Slick setup. Why isn't he trying to keep going it alone without the corporate car wash guys support, Ron?

Are they seriously out of business now or just reorganizing? From what I've heard about Lance Winslow he seems to have a way of shutting down, regrouping and then popping up again. Just curious. I know Jon seems to know a lot about the guy, I just figured I'd put the question out there for some comments.

How much is this guy asking for the setup?

Thanks.
 
Whoa Lance,

I don't know a lot about him, when I got into this business 3 years ago he called and wanted to "give" me a few accounts claiming his guys were to buy to handle all the work out here.

I told him not intersted and from that point till about a year and half ago he would slam me every chance he got.

I avoid any dealings with him.

Ask Ron about his meeting with him!

You might have the same first name but it ends there, no way have I seen you stoop to his level nor do I feel you would ever do so.

You post are very good here and I enjoy reading them.
 
CAR Wash Guys.com still dangerous

I saw the thread on the Demise of CARWASHGUYS.com and Lance Winslow. I know they havent paid the fine imposed on him since Aug 2001 of $850,ooo by the Federal Trade Commission. THe sad thing is that Winslow is still victimizing the unknowing public as of 2005. He has all of a sudden become a Fundraising and World Think Tank expert. He was a Franchise expert and claimed to have written books on the subject but he couldnt explain the FTC conviction of the basic Franchise law mistakes. He made claims of massive incomes, support from a one man operation, claimed a massive business indicated by his "fake" website.

Everything on his website is fake. The FTC investigators showed that Winslow set up fake PowerWashguys. Caarwashguys, boatwashguys, aircraftwashguys, awingwashguys, etc to appear in the search engines. Little did he know that the victims would also alert unsuspecting customers of his on the same search engines. He also claimed to be the first mobile detailer and pressure washer. He wasnt of cource. He was 7 years behind a company in Florida called Mobile Car Care. I called the owner and like one of the registered replys on this site, he too was bothered by Winslow. Mobile Car Care has 400 mobile Franchises across the country with 2000 more going up. THey refer Pressure cleaning to local companies free of charge since they want to focus on Detailing. MCC makes $120 million a year and Winslow is a one man operation working out of an RV and fake Mail box etc post offices showing a suite. Anyway, the MobileCarCare.com folks told me they had to take their site down til mid Jan 2005 because they operate correctly, and with an expansion to LA and Dallas for production facilities they follow he law and dont take orders until they can deliver. Oh, and Carwashguys.com has one employee and MCC has 300 and are adding 300 more with the expansion.

THe owner, Bill Swisher, of Mobile Car Care said he has great relationships with all the Pressure washing folks and his franchises in Daytona anyway send a referral a day to local companys. It is a great source of income, the networking theme.

I am not sure what Winslow is up to, but MCC said they were contacted my the California Attorney General since Winslow sent theatening emails to Swisher. Also the LA Sherriff has a High Tech Crimes divsion and they called Swisher too and I think the days of freedom for Winslow and Car Wash guys is numbered.
 
If you go on his website you will see that he has stopped offering franchises. Nw he is concentrating on building company owned operations so that he can control it all better.
My guess is that all of his franchisees dumped him, and in true Lance fashion he is going to show them all...

And Lance, I still have that email from a few years ago when you said you were going to run me out if business, and you would be laughing. Just FYI, I a still plugging along and doing okay...

Scott
 
Very interesting stuff. Thats why I do not make a move with my Franchise without a lawyer - too much legal stuff for the average person. It can be very sticky.

Watch Out - there will be more and more national pressure washing companies popping-up. Its a big trend that is slowly developing. This industry is much bigger than these boards or the PWNA. The community of contractors on these boards and organization is just a drop in the bucket. There are a lot of movers and shakers out there.

Another thing to watch out for is new state regulations. I've witness this in the home inspection industry. Its amazing of how the pressure washing industry is following the same path as the home inspection industry did over 20yrs ago.
 
Give us a history lesson, Tim Smith

Tim Smith, If you have experienced this type of activity in another industry please share. This could help in developing a competative advantage and avoid pitfalls. Remember " those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it". Thanks in advance.

P.S. Scott, did Lance give you a time line - maybe he is still comming? LOL
 
I did not think that he was to work on that long of a tmieline. IT was like 6 years ago. He has lost or "fired" most of his franchisees in this are since then, at least a couple of times.
I guess I should just be patient.:rolleyes:


Scott
 
Almost Impossible Almost...

Tim,
I read your post about the bigger folks opening chains, franchises, etc.. but like any business, Im not sure how they will survive, they will have double if not triple the overhead / operating cost as the smaller companies, therefore their prices will also have to be double or triple, and with that being said, you can see how maybe they may have a short run at this industry, maybe 1-2 years, and they will be history... The main thing being, like the big lawn cutting operations, or the Home inspection industry, they can spend 2-4 weeks training people, and they are done, they basically know everything they need to know to successfully run those types of business's, with the PW industry as you well you know, they cant even scratch the surface in 1-2 years on training, and big companies dont want those types of Headaches, it is way to time consuming, and way too technical for them to come in and make big fast money, they may try but will soon fail, which is actually good news for companies like mine, because when they do fail, and they will, I come in and buy their equipment, chemicals, vehicles, etc.. for 10-20 cents on the dollar, trust me, if anyone has ever spent any amount of time in this industry, they soon realize this is not a subway sandwich shop, they can open on every corner, I would even have to say this is more technical than becoming a plumber, electrician, engineer, etc.. You cant just hire folks at $10.00 and let them go with 2-4 weeks of training, you will go out of biz so fast your head will spin,

Hope this Puts all worries aside about the big guys coming in and taking over, cant and wont happen...
 
Hmm, Fleetwash seems to be doing fine. Of course, I don't think that they have the ego of Lance.

As for worrying, not me.

Scott Stone
 
No he has stopped selling franchises, according to his website, and is going to try to go to company managed locations.
 
Rob

Sorry that I'm just now posting a reply. For some reason, I don't get notifications (by email) from this board - when someone replies to a thread that I started or replied in. I just happen to be scanning the board.


Now for a friendly debate.

As for double and triple the overhead - that all depends on the franchise agreement. Some franchise agreement dictate that the Franchisor (owner of the company name) provides all invoicing, marketing/advertising (theirs a difference between the two), and technical information. Now if that Franchisor also had his own chemical line that is sold to the Franchisee (individual that owns the franchise) at cost & the Francisor sales equipment as a wholesaler and equipment can be purchase at cost. That adds to the deal. A franchise opportunity in this industry ( or others ) is for someone who takes pride in his work and has good work ethic, but may lack the experience, education, or the drive to build a company from A - Z in all aspects of the business. As a Franchisor -- you telling an individual, that with my assistance, you can make approx. this amount of money. Thats why a pressure washing franchise will be more successful in the commercial vs the residential industry. Commercial industry, you can gain accounts that are year around and placed them under contract. So if an individual (Francisor) can tell an individual, I can sale you a franchise which include: $75.000 in accounts under contract, Starter set-up of equipment and chemicals, invoicing, marketing, supply technical information, and what was mention above, etc. If an Franchisor can show this individual and his accountant/lawyer his books to back up my claims as well as the $75,000 in accounts. The individual may be willing to pay a purchase price and approx. 3% fee a year of his gross earnings. Basically, you selling a business that he (franchisee) can make $50,000 or so year - & each account that he signs or the Franchisor signs, he gets more.
It's been done it in the Janitorial business. There are some different challenges in the pressure washing industry. If it was easy, there would be no money in it, everyone would be doing it. My question to you: What about the franchises that are out there?

As for spending 2-3 weeks to training someone in the home inspection industry. Thats so funny. If you own a home inspection business, would you train someone for a couple of weeks and turn him loose to inspect houses that buyers are paying anywhere from $45,000.00 to $600,000.00. The liability in home inspection is tremendous. I have to carry a 3 million dollar liability policy. I've been sued 5 times in 10 or so years. I won all five, but I could have been sunk in a couple of them. One house that I inspected, the basement started to leak 4 years after the inspection. I won it with no problems, but they still sued me for $25,000.00. Although I won, it cost me over $5,000.00 to defend myself. What if I would have lost. Insurance would not have covered due to the time lenght.

When hiring an inspector: First of all, they must have experience in construction, elec, plumbing, etc. Then they must get certified through the organization in which I belong. To get that certification, they must complete 6 month correspondence course with a 85% or better ( they take a proctor exam at the end of the course), then they have to go to a 3 day school and past the final exam with a 85% or better. They cant go to the school until they have a minimum of 100 inspections. Normally it takes approx. a year to get an motivated individual certified. It can take longer. Very expensive getting someone trained and certified. Its worth it. I put my organization logo on my letterhead and realtors call for that reason along. The realtors in this area know that when they call my business, they are calling an professional. That certification increases my business revenue by 40% over my competitors. Theirs one other company that has the certification. The cost of training an individual to be an home inspection is very high. Some states also require an inspector to be certified throgh the state. Certification is very important, if its from the right organization. You can simply pay a fee to some home inspection organizations and be certified. Check into ASHI - home inspection certification. If you put ASHI logo on your business, Realtors know that you earned it. I've witness ASHI grow a lot over the past 10 or so years. PWNA, someday could have that much power in the market. They are heading the right directions, thats for sure.

I can train someone to pressure wash in less than a month. I can't teach him all the knowledge, but I can put him on a job. I wouldn't send him to do a log home or something - that would take more time. I have a guy that does nothing but washes residential houses. I took him with me on 5 house jobs and turned him loose. I inspected every house he did for 6 months or so. The cost of his training was paid for in 5 houses.

As for pressure washing being more technical than an electrician or engineer. I really don't know what to say to that other than to be an electrician, you have to be certified and to be an engineer, you have to have a degree (which is extremely hard to obtain) and be certified.

Sorry so long - got carried away. Do you run across Russ or Reed much these days? I hadn't talked to them in a while.
 
So much for a friendly debate???
 
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