Allison iron horse

MARK W.

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Does anyone know anythings about Allison p/w/ers. I was looking at Envirospec catalog and was wondering about them. I was looking to get something with more gpm and hot water.Thay have a fire cannon that is designed specifically for there cold water systems. I dont know the first thing about the hot box or fire cannon, but would like to have cold and hot at 5 to 6 gpm with one machine.It looks like the price is right for what I see in the catalog.
 
No comment on the products you ask about but I would not buy a hot box, pay the extra and buy a true cold/hot machine.

I would also shop around and check out other name brands before you buy from anyone.

You might want to ask Envirospecs about return policy, warranty and shipping cost before you buy.

Jon
 
Jon, What you think for a hot / cold washer at 5 to 6 gpm 3000 to 4000 psi will cost me?
 
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Depends on brand and what you want on it but I believe they start at around $3,200 up to around $8000.

I would not do what I did when I got into the business, I got top of line everything, start out small, buy the lower cost one and as your business grows and you need more buy a better brand.

Some guys use the ones that cost less and replace them with like machines and never have a problem, others do.

Whatever you end up buying service it regularly and you should not have major problems.

Just don't buy a cold water system then a hot box added to it.

Jon
 
When I started (8) years ago I bought a hot machine pushing 4.0 gpm @ 3000. For the first couple of years we cleaned primarily residential properties before moving to commercial markets. We have cleaned all that you can imagine and found our comfort zone in kitchen exhaust cleaning. We have purchased other machines and we are inclined to machines in the 5-5.5 gpm in the 3000 psi range that we find most versatile. I don't think you can go wrong with an Iron Horse, they have many well though out features and quality components. I would recommend Envirospecs 3 day service school for anyone in the business with any type of machine. The advice Jon gives is solid regarding machine maintenance, our first machine is still a workhorse going strong after (8) years and countless hours, the most significant replacement we have had to make were (2) coils, the latter just recently.
 
I made the switch this Winter from 4 gpm to 5.6. Well, I have done several jobs already since the change over and am amazed at the difference. I now do jobs that used to take 5-6 hours in 3-4 hours. Sometimes I feel guilty leaving a $350.00 residential job in less than 4 hours. Now I take breaks and leave for lunch to stretch it out some. I used to work non-stop from start to finish with the 4gpm setup. It's not that noticable just holding the wand in your hand, but when you're used to 4gpm and then go to 5.6 you notice the difference in wash time.
Hope this helped you decide,
Glenn
 
Glenn,

I know what you mean...............I made the switch from 4GPM's to 5.5 GPM's back in 1999..........huge difference.

Although, I never suffered from guilt..............those washers aren't free! If it takes you less time, more power to you. If anyone gives you a hard time you can tell them your speed is relative to the quality and price of your equipment.
 
My approach to customer service is to do something extra for the customer that he/she does not expect. That seems to minimize the issue with amount of time it takes to do a job. Plus I am about 20% higher in cost than competition, and I need something to differentiate us.
 
how did this go from a question about power washer to a customer service theme.
 
Sorry about that! Was reacting to concern about performing jobs faster because of better equipment. Luv you Jon!
 
Just remember what others have said; flow is ALWAYS better than pressure.

If pressure is equivalent to speed then flow is best described this way.... which would you rather catch thrown at you at 5 mph (8 kph)? A softball or a bowling ball? 3 GPM or 5.5 GPM? Water weighs 8.33 pounds per US gallon (10 pounds per Imperial gallon or 1 kg per litre) so do the math.

As to what to expect from a supplier? Well, costs vary depending on the ability of the retailer to assist you and their desire to do so. There are pressure washers out there at $3000 and others with similar specifications at $8000.

The difference is whether or not they are local or elsewhere? Are they supporting all warranty or some? Is there a loaner available should the need arise? Do they stock common service parts to get you back in business right away? Are they using the best possible components to give you longer life and shorter lifecycle costs? (Cheap parts break down more frequently requiring more frequent replacement; therefore false economics) Is the wiring/ plumbing etcetera of adequate size and performance for the desired performance of the machine? Does it meet safety certification standards (not just conform to but actually paid for and tested to meet or exceed the standards)?

In other words, how would you feel about a customer of yours going on to the internet and getting all of the components they need from somewhere else to do the job you are doing for them?

Dollars spent outside your community never return to your community so needed funds for road repair or park maintenance may not be available. If your local retailer goes out of business how will they sponsor your child's soccer team or have the ability to continue coaching it?

All things considered you need to look at the TOTAL costs of doing what you want. A poor craftsman blames their tools but buying inadequate tools will give you cause to blame someone/thing.

Hope this helps? Cheers.
 
Psst Michael,

Great advice on the dollars/community thing.

Can you point out some pressure washers manufactured in the U.S. ????


LOL! SORRY JON'S HUMOROUS POSTS PUT ME IN THE JOKE MODE:p

By the way I went from 4.5 gpm- 5.5gpm-8gpm 2500psi-2200psi- 500- 3500 psi (rarely go over 2500) I can probably never use a 4.5 gpm again.

You know what they say? once you go 8gpm you never go back LOL << I blame this on Jon also ^5
 
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Good Post
Just remember what others have said; flow is ALWAYS better than pressure.

If pressure is equivalent to speed then flow is best described this way.... which would you rather catch thrown at you at 5 mph (8 kph)? A softball or a bowling ball? 3 GPM or 5.5 GPM? Water weighs 8.33 pounds per US gallon (10 pounds per Imperial gallon or 1 kg per litre) so do the math.

As to what to expect from a supplier? Well, costs vary depending on the ability of the retailer to assist you and their desire to do so. There are pressure washers out there at $3000 and others with similar specifications at $8000.

The difference is whether or not they are local or elsewhere? Are they supporting all warranty or some? Is there a loaner available should the need arise? Do they stock common service parts to get you back in business right away? Are they using the best possible components to give you longer life and shorter lifecycle costs? (Cheap parts break down more frequently requiring more frequent replacement; therefore false economics) Is the wiring/ plumbing etcetera of adequate size and performance for the desired performance of the machine? Does it meet safety certification standards (not just conform to but actually paid for and tested to meet or exceed the standards)?

In other words, how would you feel about a customer of yours going on to the internet and getting all of the components they need from somewhere else to do the job you are doing for them?

Dollars spent outside your community never return to your community so needed funds for road repair or park maintenance may not be available. If your local retailer goes out of business how will they sponsor your child's soccer team or have the ability to continue coaching it?

All things considered you need to look at the TOTAL costs of doing what you want. A poor craftsman blames their tools but buying inadequate tools will give you cause to blame someone/thing.

Hope this helps? Cheers.
 
Another great Dude....long gone as is most in that post. Every now and then I get an email from Jon from Oasis. Good guy.

Talked to remy a few days ago


Ron Musgraves text me for questions 480-522-5227 Pressure Washing Institute
 
No comment on the products you ask about but I would not buy a hot box, pay the extra and buy a true cold/hot machine.

I would also shop around and check out other name brands before you buy from anyone.

You might want to ask Envirospecs about return policy, warranty and shipping cost before you buy.























Jon

Thats a pretty crappy statement, I have used both for years and found that I love the hot box better. So explain why it's not as good, If my hot box goes down and for some reason I cant fix it, I can take it off the trailer and still use the cold water unit that is not attached to it. It heats just as hot as the skid unit, so I dont see why it's not as good?
 
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