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BrooksPW said:
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no no that product is bad, use ours its BETTER!! ;)
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CAN you believe the nonsense spewed on the Internet sometimes ?

My NEW Ford F 150 suggests 5w 30 weight oil, NOT because Ford wants me to buy a new truck, but SO my New Ford will last long enough to make me happy enough to BUY another Ford.

IF some Shingle manufacturer told me to use the ARMA approved cleaning method, and it Toasted my shingles, never again would I buy THAT brand of shingle.

The posted link is so stupid it almost defys logic Brooks.

Things shall be picking up here shortly.

Thank GOD this summer is almost over ?
 
From what I have heard and read, it seems like the guys in Florida have been cleaning roofs longer than any other state so these guys should know what works and what does'nt. This is another company trying to sell their product by making something else sound bad.

If the recommended cleaning solution posted by the ARMA was bad, cracked and dried out the shingles, don't you think it would have caused a lot of attention, the media would have gotten involved and questioned the ARMA for their recommendation?

You could see it that way that they want your shingles to have a shortened life so they could sell you more shingles or, you could see it like they want your roof to last so you buy more asphalt shingles instead of metal roofing or clay/concrete tiles.

There are always more than 1 side to each story. I just hope the public has the common sense to look at both sides before taking that article for gospel.

It is a shame that the only way to sell their product is to make something else look bad. Good products can sell themselves if the public knows about them. I wonder if they are also letting the public know that if you use their product that you need to use some pressure to remove the algae/fungus? Pressure that might weaken the adhesion the granules have or blast them off the shingles altogether which is what reflects the heat off the roof.

It does not just rinse off like with the proper ARMA recommended cleaning solution so you do not cause the granules to come off thus protecting the roof and not taking away from it's lifespan.
 
Another thing, since this company is saying that bleach/chlorine dries out and cracks the shingles, I would like to see the study on this to back up their claims.


Any pictures of the cracks and drying? Who did the research? Who funded the research?

How long did the test trial run? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? How often was the shingles cleaned with bleach/chlorine? What method was it applied with? How long was the dwell time? What % bleach/chlorine was used in the test study? What kind of R&D department does this company have? How long have they been in business? How long did they do testing/research and where before bringing their product out to the marketplace?

A lot of questions to answer to make a believer out of me. It is really sad that a company resorts to scare/lie tactics to sell their product. I would like to see the research to back up their claims so I can make an intelligent, informed buying decision based on facts, not someone's opinion skewed toward selling their own products.

I was hoping that this would have been in a magazine or newspaper article so I could respond so whoever read that could also read this.
 
All the those other bull**** roof cleaning products say SH is not good for cleaning your roof, next line down they're selling they're product for a crazy ripoff style price, people can go ahead and pay for more something that isn't gonna get er done.. while us who know SH cleans roofs with great results, a lot cheaper than their nonsense.
 
The roof cleaning products are listed on the side of the page. The "Article" has advertiesments for discounts on the top.

It is not setup like an article like what would be in a newspaper or magazine, it is just another selling page with ads.

If you look on the bottom there is a link to their home page.

On the home page there is an article mentioning that your insurance company can cancel you if your roof is not cleaned. More scare tactics. Another part os the site you can get their product for 45% off. Yes, you read that right 45% off. What a scam!

I had told my truck insurance rep over at State Farm that I was getting into cleaning the roof shingles and showed her the shingles on her building. It is leased so they do not pay for any type of maintenance on the property at all.

She told me that "Roof Fugus Has Not Been Proven To Damage Or Weaken The Integrity Of The Shingles", "It Is Just An Eyesore". I asked her in a different way, so if you saw that stuff on a house that you insure, you would not make them clean it.

She said that unless she gets a letter from Corporate, they are not concerned with it. OK.

There you go. That website is using plain old B.S., Lies, and Scare Tactics to sell their products. It is sad that they cannot sell the product the right way and not resort to the sleazy ways of selling from days of old.
 
At the risk of pissing everyone off, I am going to try to clear up a couple of misconceptions so that new people – or those that want to learn what choices they have, aren’t misled by the comments of the 8 people that post virtually everything written on this BBS about Roof Cleaning.

Here are some facts that are constantly ignored:
  • ARMA does not manufacture Roofing Products. And the tech bulletin everyone refers to is only for asphalt shingles. It’s the same one they put out in 1980, with the exception of the added reference to algae resistant shingles.
  • There are several roof materials manufacturers that have approved cleaning methods other than drenching a roof with chlorine. American Roof Brite, Roof Reviver, and Roof-A-Cide all have products that have been tested and approved by actual manufacturers of roof materials – but you won’t hear about these if you just contact ARMA, read their bulletin, or rely on BBS sites like this for all of your info & education.
  • Everyone that has access to the Internet knows you can get a roof clean with $20.00 worth of pool bleach, but you would be hard pressed to find a Professional Roofer using it. Why? Because they know what it will do to the roof fixtures & underlayment – even though the salt content left behind on an asphalt shingle roof (that has been properly rinsed) is not going to do any damage to the shingles themselves.
  • Some insurance companies do require homeowners to get their roofs cleaned. Matt Hixon of Hixon Roof Renew in Little Rock, AR just did one last week. The insurance company was not going to renew the policy unless the Homeowner either had it cleaned or replaced. Give him a call & ask him.
  • While some companies do use scare tactics (and you’ll see A LOT of scare tactics if you look at the websites of the Contractors that post here), it is a fact that contractors throughout the country are looking for safer and more efficient ways to get a roof clean or keep it clean. They all know you can use bleach. They all know it’s cheap, effective, and relatively easy – but the other issues like employee safety, landscaping, property damage, and equipment damage are obviously more important to them.
  • Roof-A-Cide is approved by GAF Materials and Monier LifeTile – two of the largest roof materials manufacturers in the US. Our products don’t contain any bleaches or sodium hydroxide and they have been used on over 100,000 roofs in 13 states over the last 10 years.
 
RAC said:
At the risk of pissing everyone off, I am going to try to clear up a couple of misconceptions so that new people – or those that want to learn what choices they have, aren’t misled by the comments of the 8 people that post virtually everything written on this BBS about Roof Cleaning.

Here are some facts that are constantly ignored:
  • ARMA does not manufacture Roofing Products. And the tech bulletin everyone refers to is only for asphalt shingles. It’s the same one they put out in 1980, with the exception of the added reference to algae resistant shingles.
  • There are several roof materials manufacturers that have approved cleaning methods other than drenching a roof with chlorine. American Roof Brite, Roof Reviver, and Roof-A-Cide all have products that have been tested and approved by actual manufacturers of roof materials – but you won’t hear about these if you just contact ARMA, read their bulletin, or rely on BBS sites like this for all of your info & education.
  • Everyone that has access to the Internet knows you can get a roof clean with $20.00 worth of pool bleach, but you would be hard pressed to find a Professional Roofer using it. Why? Because they know what it will do to the roof fixtures & underlayment – even though the salt content left behind on an asphalt shingle roof (that has been properly rinsed) is not going to do any damage to the shingles themselves.
  • Some insurance companies do require homeowners to get their roofs cleaned. Matt Hixon of Hixon Roof Renew in Little Rock, AR just did one last week. The insurance company was not going to renew the policy unless the Homeowner either had it cleaned or replaced. Give him a call & ask him.
  • While some companies do use scare tactics (and you’ll see A LOT of scare tactics if you look at the websites of the Contractors that post here), it is a fact that contractors throughout the country are looking for safer and more efficient ways to get a roof clean or keep it clean. They all know you can use bleach. They all know it’s cheap, effective, and relatively easy – but the other issues like employee safety, landscaping, property damage, and equipment damage are obviously more important to them.
  • Roof-A-Cide is approved by GAF Materials and Monier LifeTile – two of the largest roof materials manufacturers in the US. Our products don’t contain any bleaches or sodium hydroxide and they have been used on over 100,000 roofs in 13 states over the last 10 years.
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Good to see you John , I am glad you chimed in to give others a look at the other side of things , I feel as long as what you do is in the customers best intrest and you take necessary precautions to insure the customers welfare is taken in to account both will do a good job , more info will always be appreciated by seasoned pros like you , I wish you had more time to post more often .... TAHNKS FOR YOUR INSITE
 
yea i want to here more about scaring the folks. maybe i could incorporate the insurance renewal denial into some kinda marketing tool?
what do you think russ?? the desk jockey.
 
I know we have an old topic here but I must say. I used this stuff from cleaner today "Roof QEC." It cleaned badly! I used it, then went over it with a small electric pressure washer just to get the roof clean. I knew no better. I orderd this stuff to clean my roof so I could sell my house. Then I thought why don't I make a buissness out of this. So I did, and met you all here and learned new ways. Applesauce rules hands down! Cleanertoday roofcleaner is a crock!
 
As a new guy, who comes here day in day out to learn from you i have to say that now i am totally confused.......i was set to just use the apple sauce recipe but if there is something that is "safer" for the fallout...bushes plants ect, i would be inclined to use that as it would save me time during set up. anyone seasoned pros have any products that work just as well as applesauce....spending an extra couple of bucks for a safer product will actually save me time (which is money) as i hate the setup process of covering plants and such. if you have a product what is it called and where do u get it from? thanks guys....
 
bigragu714 said:
As a new guy, who comes here day in day out to learn from you i have to say that now i am totally confused.......i was set to just use the apple sauce recipe but if there is something that is "safer" for the fallout...bushes plants ect, i would be inclined to use that as it would save me time during set up. anyone seasoned pros have any products that work just as well as applesauce....spending an extra couple of bucks for a safer product will actually save me time (which is money) as i hate the setup process of covering plants and such. if you have a product what is it called and where do u get it from? thanks guys....
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Apple Sauce is safe, as long as it is watered off the plants as SOON as it contacts them.
You can also cover the plants.
Remember, that IS a Plant on the roof.
If it can't kill plants, HTF can it kill the plant on the roof ?
 
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