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I dont understand guys. I have thrown a 65/35 mix with a little regular soap and it works fine.What makes these recipes make it better?
 
Ok so what is the exact recipe again?
 
apple cider

for 100 gallons, use 63 water, 35 Sh, 3 larger size yellow colored bottles AJAX, and 1 gallon rubbing alcohol.
For less cut all stuff in 1/2, or 1/4
 
What % is your rubbing alcohol
 
We tried it today , it cleans , I am not to sure if I think its any better or not

I did half of a 3200 sq foot roof w/o the alcohol , then I added it and cleaned the other half both side cleaned quickly and easily and I dont rinse them anymore so we were done and out , I personally think it works both ways

The second roof was done with the cider , I like to call it "apple jack" it was already mixed from the first batch so we had to use it and still did fine , I used around 55 to 60 gallons total on 500 square foot of shingles not to bad !
 
Russ,

Why don't you rinse? You risk killing plants etc if you leave the job with the love on the roof...

I know Mr. Apple doesn't rinse either.

I just feel better knowing that I've at least cut the solution % down even more
 
Russ,
If I read your post right you used 50 gallons of Apple Sauce on what equates to the front of a large ranch home.

That's about 15 gallons of 12% SH plus additives. How do you contain 50 gallons of mix and keep it from damaging landscaping?

Some of it has to go down the leaders and hit the ground due to overspray.

Has anyone done any testing or have any observation on the effects to asphalt shingles from leaving the chlorine on them without rinsing?

The posts I've read say that chlorine drys out shingles, but none of them site a study or have photos to back up that claim.

It would seem to me that given the fact the chlorine is highly corosive ie it rots your truck, clothes and anything else it comes in contact with that it would really have a negative effect on a roof and aluminum gutters as it is just baking in the sun everyday until some substantial rain washes it off.

I'd really be interested in testing or visual observations done on the shingles after a time laps of a month or two.

Has anyone gone back after the job to see what happens?

Does anyone have photos or video of before and after conditions?
 
it was supposed to read I used that on 5000 square foot of shingles and it was more like 50 gallons when I checked the left over in the tank

Brian to answer the other question , we have ground men that keep the vegitation wet as we apply but we dont have a lot of runoff , yes there is some as I am sure most have it as well , our mix is approx 30% as you are correct as well , I am pretty sure you saw that I said 500 sq feet , it should have been 5000 square feet , one home was 3200 and the other 1800, if you still have reservations let me know , I am not the roof expert by any means , we have only been cleaning roofs now going on three years so any constructive criticism is greatly appreciated
 
Russ et al,
I am not trying to critize, just trying to get at the bottom of what works. what's safe and what damages property.

Claims have been made by numerous posters that chlorine drys out shingles. I can't find a single study or any scientific evidience that supports that.

We know it can kill plants, and damages property that's obvious from the amount of posts claiming it happens. We know that killing plants, damaging property can be avoided if the methodology of the wash is done correctly.

What I don't know is the long term effects on the shingles, flashing, gutters and underlayment due to chlorine use.

Some say it does no harm and others say it does. I simply don't know who is right.

Throw in not rinsing it off and I think the equation is changed dramatically.

I'd like to know any first hand experiences, documented with photos to support either position on this issue.

It seems to me that the use of chlorine may well be the fastest, least expensive method but if it causes long term damage it might not be the best method.

We know that power washing is out, some cleaners do not work as advertised and chlorine although it works may have long term negative effects.

I'd welcome any comments that are supported with some type of evidence, even personal observations would be ok but I'd prefer some photos, or results of a scientific study.
 
Well Brian and Russ, wanna know MY opinion on long term Chlorine damage ?
I have been cleaning roofs for over 15 years, and USED to use the mix pretty strong because I was doing lots of roofs, and din not want to have to go back.
Here is what I noticed, years later, on these roofs.
I have seen pretty bad granule loss, in comparison to roofs in the same street done with weaker mix :eek:
It may shock some here, but I am gonna come out and say it.
STRONG Chlorine solutions are NOT "harmless" as some think, in my experience.
That is WHY you notice me posting the Apple Sauce formula, and working on the new Mix.
I want to use THE weakest Chlorine solution I can that will still clean.
This is what I preach, use the weakest solution that will still clean.
 
I'm glad I took time to read this entire post. We are starting to clean more roofs and the guys will be trying the aple jack this week>We have not been able to make much money on roofs because we use to much mix on a roof. When we try to charge for the extra amount of cleaner and time we do not get the job.
Brian or I willpost the results later this week
 
Lenny: What in the world is the "apple jack"?

Brian: What is your method of cleaning roofs, and what chems do you use?
 
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