"Apple Butter" Roof Cleaning Chemical Thickener

Apple Roof Cleaning

Apple Roof Cleaning

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You guys missed this thread Thick Bleach Mixtures
I suggest you re read it ?
One can clearly see by scrolling down the chart I posted that there is something that is a more effective roof cleaning mix thickener.
It is called Ammonyx M, but it is not "Ammonyx LO, chemically that is!
It is Myristamine Oxide, and it is different!
One can see if we read the thickening chart, that when we want thicker mixtures, we go away from Ammonyx LO, and use Ammonyx M instead.
Just as Motor Oil is expressed by weight, thicker mixtures have a higher "Viscosity" number.
The higher then number, the thicker the chit is.
Since it will now be easily possible to thicken the mix up to almost a soft butter, I have named this new roof cleaning chemical "Apple Butter".
Lori from Pressure Washer Products over in Clearwater, FL is on top of this new breakthrough in roof cleaning technology.
A thickened roof cleaning mix has many advantages, besides reducing run off!
A thickened roof cleaning mix increases the dwell time, allowing the use of a less strong mix, to protect the environment, and possibly your lungs!

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That sounds like a good idea for the really steep tile roofs so less is running off so quickly.
 
Christopher said:
That sounds like a good idea for the really steep tile roofs so less is running off so quickly.
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Steep Shingle too.
This chit is chlorine stable too Chris, just like the Ammonyx LO, so it will not eat up your mix.
It only takes a small amount of it to do the trick.

When we leave the mix on the roof after cleaning, it is the dew, or a really light rain that causes plant damage.
The morning dew causes the left on chemical ( that is basically just Salt) to drip off the roof, and me and you are not there any longer to rinse it off! The Apple Butter thickener, in THEORY, should reduce this after the after the fact run off somewhat.
We are currently doing some experiments with this, and some other roof cleaning chemicals, always looking to improve.
 
Nice! But what effects will the bleach have staying on the shingle longer? Will it cause damage or discoloration?
 
El Flojo said:
Nice! But what effects will the bleach have staying on the shingle longer? Will it cause damage or discoloration?
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Yes, "bad effects" :nono: better cleaning, less run off, less chemical usage, better plant protection :thumbup:
On low pitch roofs, weaker mixes can be used, because dwell time is increased, the mix stays put. But on many roofs, because of gravity, the mix runs before it can do it's thing.
So, we have been forced to deal with the run off, and apply more and more chemical to effect cleaning.
Apple Butter will change that, by modifying the viscosity of the roof cleaning chemical itself.
Kind of the same idea behind Heinz Ketsup, it stays on the bun when you eat it, instead of running all down your hand
 
I have not seen the chemicals cause any discoloration or damage from being on there longer or even not rinsing at all.
 
Apple Roof Cleaning said:
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You guys missed this thread Thick Bleach Mixtures
I suggest you re read it ?
One can clearly see by scrolling down the chart I posted that there is something that is a more effective roof cleaning mix thickener.
It is called Ammonyx M, but it is not "Ammonyx LO, chemically that is!
It is Myristamine Oxide, and it is different!
One can see if we read the thickening chart, that when we want thicker mixtures, we go away from Ammonyx LO, and use Ammonyx M instead.
Just as Motor Oil is expressed by weight, thicker mixtures have a higher "Viscosity" number.
The higher then number, the thicker the chit is.
Since it will now be easily possible to thicken the mix up to almost a soft butter, I have named this new roof cleaning chemical "Apple Butter".
Lori from Pressure Washer Products over in Clearwater, FL is on top of this new breakthrough in roof cleaning technology.
A thickened roof cleaning mix has many advantages, besides reducing run off!
A thickened roof cleaning mix increases the dwell time, allowing the use of a less strong mix, to protect the environment, and possibly your lungs!


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HACK HACK HACK ...... lungs are important! :slap:
 
joshua crutcher said:
Chris I haven't either. Forgot to grab soap this weekend. Went to a Dollar General by jobsite and grabbed Arm and Hammer 2X concentrate. Had the best dwell time yet. It was a light gray roof, one of the worst looking roofs we have done.
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The problem with just grabbing any soap that happens to be handy is this.
Most are not really chlorine compatible, and will often fight the chlorine, weakening both.
To make matters worse, some soaps will turn into globs in your tank, as the non compatible components are turned into what looks like a cross between a jellyfish and an Alien by the SH.
Sure, we have all done that, grab a bottle of whatever, and toss it into the tank.
Whatever works for you ?
A real surfactant, that is chlorine stable with thickening properties, makes these store bought items seem like toys, by comparison.
It would take a zillion bottles of whatever to equal the viscosity capabilities of this, with no guarantee it will not gum up in your tank, clog your pump, or come out of solution.
What works for a one time roof cleaning mix tank may not be the same once it sits in a 300 gallon tank a few days or more.
Our roof cleaning trucks have dual 300 gallon tanks, and it aint cheap to fill them these days.
Some use Caustic Beads, some use Drano, some use Oven Cleaner, some use Potassium Hydroxide, all the same stuff, just domestic versions are not as strong.
Same with soap you buy from dollar store, etc.
Industrial Surfactants are much stronger then any soap you can buy at a dollar store.
Cheaper too, in the long run.
 
OK,,, I just fell in Love with the Amonyx-lo and now I have to cheat on it with something else. LOL... Chris, have you tried it on any roof Cleaning jobs yet? You got my attention with this one. I like MORE dwell time and LESS runoff.
 
Apple Roof Cleaning said:
The problem with just grabbing any soap that happens to be handy is this.
Most are not really chlorine compatible, and will often fight the chlorine, weakening both.
To make matters worse, some soaps will turn into globs in your tank, as the non compatible components are turned into what looks like a cross between a jellyfish and an Alien by the SH.
Sure, we have all done that, grab a bottle of whatever, and toss it into the tank.
Whatever works for you ?
A real surfactant, that is chlorine stable with thickening properties, makes these store bought items seem like toys, by comparison.
It would take a zillion bottles of whatever to equal the viscosity capabilities of this, with no guarantee it will not gum up in your tank, clog your pump, or come out of solution.
What works for a one time roof cleaning mix tank may not be the same once it sits in a 300 gallon tank a few days or more.
Our roof cleaning trucks have dual 300 gallon tanks, and it aint cheap to fill them these days.
Some use Caustic Beads, some use Drano, some use Oven Cleaner, some use Potassium Hydroxide, all the same stuff, just domestic versions are not as strong.
Same with soap you buy from dollar store, etc.
Industrial Surfactants are much stronger then any soap you can buy at a dollar store.
Cheaper too, in the long run.
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Good post.
 
I ordered some of the Amonyx Lo and will be trying it out on a roof as soon as it gets here.

I have a steep tile roof to clean and hope it gets great dwell time on the roof instead of running off quickly.
 
Christopher said:
I ordered some of the Amonyx Lo and will be trying it out on a roof as soon as it gets here.

I have a steep tile roof to clean and hope it gets great dwell time on the roof instead of running off quickly.
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It will, plus it will look reallly nice once rain hits it!
 
FoxCPM said:
I just ordered a bucket of Amonyx-Lo, now I have to order a bucket of Amonyx-Mo :)).. Lori mentioned that they have different smells, so you kill the bleach smell and leave a nice breeze of whatever other smells they have :). That's another plus to use that stuff I guess
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Yeah, we like it.
Nothing like a powerful, chlorine stable surfactant/emulsifier.
Sure, you put enough Dawn in the Mix it thickens and cleans, but it takes a whole lot of Dawn to equal a little Ammonyx LO.
10 big bottles of Dawn at 2 to 3 bucks a bottle don't even come close to 1 gallon Ammonyx LO, as far as cling and cleaning power goes.
 
Apple Roof Cleaning said:
Yeah, we like it.
Nothing like a powerful, chlorine stable surfactant/emulsifier.
Sure, you put enough Dawn in the Mix it thickens and cleans, but it takes a whole lot of Dawn to equal a little Ammonyx LO.
10 big bottles of Dawn at 2 to 3 bucks a bottle don't even come close to 1 gallon Ammonyx LO, as far as cling and cleaning power goes.
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Good stuff Roof cleaning Expert Mr Tucker from the RCIA certified Roof cleaning Association
 
Is Lori around? Can she post her phone number and information? How do we get ahold of her?
 
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